11-7-07

Notes from the meeting:

1. Results from individuals taking the ASSET placement test.
 * Is Compass is a "better" assessment because it is adaptive? Adaptive tests respond to errors.
 * AccuPlacer (ASU is going to use)--maybe look at since it is the only placement
 * scores not tell us much...the tests do. Examples and materials are problematic.
 * Compare what the test assess vs. our ENG101 outcomes...they do not correlate
 * These are predictive tests...correlation is different then pre/post testing
 * question is...do we get false highs and lows, or does it tend to correlate well (then it serves its purpose)
 * we need to look at the statistics of the students who place and who pass (who finish the course, don't get withdrawn early)
 * is no test worse than any test? self-select?
 * ESL also placed poorly, take wrong placement test
 * points to a need for advising, not placement
 * possibly an online self-placement advising tool

2. Shelley requested that we pick one focus area and roll with it:
 * placement
 * assessment
 * writing certificate development
 * Suggested that we can juggle both.

Richard and Shelley are going to develop detailed to-do lists for both certificate program development and placement alternative/s.

Attending: Jeremy, Craig, Tim, Barbara, Keith, Josh, Lutfi, Richard, Amy, Melinda